Talk:Artist meeting 10/11/05

IRC log of the meeting:

Nov 10 20:18:29 Pajarico	ok, i'm logging now
Nov 10 20:18:35 Modanung	Ok, you're logging
Nov 10 20:18:44 Pajarico	i talked to Rotonen 
Nov 10 20:19:02 Pajarico	i send him a brief with the latest drawings and he 
Nov 10 20:19:02 Modanung	About what?
Nov 10 20:19:05 Modanung	Ah
Nov 10 20:19:17 Modanung	What did he say?
Nov 10 20:19:26 Pajarico	and he told me that it was to abstract for him to visualize
Nov 10 20:19:32 Pajarico	:P
Nov 10 20:19:39 Pajarico	tipical finnish response
Nov 10 20:19:58 Modanung	Being drunk is tipically finnish...
Nov 10 20:20:06 Modanung	Did I see those drawings?
Nov 10 20:20:13 Modanung	...oh and taking sauna's.
Nov 10 20:20:36 Pajarico	Also he said artist should keep in contact with him
Nov 10 20:20:58 Modanung	He's seen the movie Mission Impossible too often
Nov 10 20:20:59 Pajarico	and that the mosnter would fit better in the jungle than in forest
Nov 10 20:21:14 Pajarico	do we have jungle?
Nov 10 20:21:17 Modanung	The frog?
Nov 10 20:21:19 Modanung	We will
Nov 10 20:21:21 Pajarico	yes
Nov 10 20:21:53 Pajarico	Also pointed that architecture was to organic for his taste, but i'm going to skeep that comment
Nov 10 20:22:00 Modanung	:S
Nov 10 20:22:02 Pajarico	sorry Rotonen :p
Nov 10 20:22:06 Modanung	The swirly thingy?
Nov 10 20:22:10 Pajarico	yes
Nov 10 20:22:17 Modanung	Too organic?
Nov 10 20:22:20 Modanung	Naaah
Nov 10 20:23:09 Modanung	Rotonen: Never played with clay when you were young?
Nov 10 20:23:20 Pajarico	http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2120/archfiretemple00019ea.jpg
Nov 10 20:23:25 Pajarico	http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2120/archfiretemple00019ea.jpg
Nov 10 20:23:29 Pajarico	http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2120/archfiretemple00019ea.jpg
Nov 10 20:23:39 Pajarico	Just adding links so they appear in the log
Nov 10 20:24:02 Modanung	The same link 3 times?
Nov 10 20:24:12 Modanung	:S
Nov 10 20:24:24 Pajarico	http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7943/archlsd8fe.png
Nov 10 20:24:27 Modanung	Pajarico: Did you see my tiles btw?
Nov 10 20:24:31 Pajarico	http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1467/creaturefrog013hd.png
Nov 10 20:24:38 Modanung	http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/savannah_mud1_3x3.png
Nov 10 20:24:41 Modanung	http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/savannah_grass1_3x3.png
Nov 10 20:24:43 Pajarico	Modanung, which ones? i don't think so
Nov 10 20:25:14 Modanung	Those
Nov 10 20:25:17 Pajarico	ok
Nov 10 20:25:25 Pajarico	the grass , a bit tiled but good
Nov 10 20:25:40 Pajarico	the mud is ok, just make more variations 
Nov 10 20:25:48 Pajarico	the mud is for desert?
Nov 10 20:25:53 Modanung	Savannah
Nov 10 20:25:57 Pajarico	ok
Nov 10 20:26:01 Pajarico	and grass?
Nov 10 20:26:03 Modanung	I know, it still needs some work
Nov 10 20:26:09 Modanung	Savannah as well
Nov 10 20:26:21 Pajarico	add some yellow leaves to grass
Nov 10 20:26:52 Modanung	Pajarico: You mean hue variation per blade?
Nov 10 20:27:46 Pajarico	Modanung, dunno, I mean make grass look as it was deficient on nitrogen and water
Nov 10 20:29:10 Modanung	Pajarico: Ok, yes... could do that
Nov 10 20:30:26 *	Pajarico is scanning
Nov 10 20:30:35 Modanung	Pajarico: Another concept?
Nov 10 20:30:45 Pajarico	yep, for poor houses
Nov 10 20:30:59 Pajarico	that's why i skipped Rotonen suggestion
Nov 10 20:31:10 Pajarico	because we will have poor and rich
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Nov 10 20:33:06 Modanung	Pajarico: Hmhm
Nov 10 20:33:17 Pajarico	what?
Nov 10 20:33:31 Pajarico	http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/6189/archmudhouses9ke.png
Nov 10 20:33:42 Pajarico	the poor houses are made of mud
Nov 10 20:33:46 Pajarico	nothing fancy
Nov 10 20:35:09 Modanung	I like it :)
Nov 10 20:35:22 Pajarico	nice:)
Nov 10 20:35:41 Modanung	No wooden frame sticking out?
Nov 10 20:36:00 Modanung	How would they do the roof?
Nov 10 20:37:08 Pajarico	Modanung, i thought the would do a wood structure and cover it with mud
Nov 10 20:37:23 Pajarico	but in some houses that can be added
Nov 10 20:37:35 Pajarico	actually, i'm working for tileability
Nov 10 20:37:48 Pajarico	so we could have basic tiles for the houses
Nov 10 20:38:03 Modanung	Tilability won't be hard with these houses
Nov 10 20:38:06 Pajarico	plus wooden structures, cracks, windows, etc
Nov 10 20:38:53 Modanung	Yes, eroded corners exposing the wood structure and such?
Nov 10 20:38:53 *	Pajarico is scanning again
Nov 10 20:39:06 Pajarico	Modanung, exactly
Nov 10 20:39:16 Modanung	Great mind think alike ;)
Nov 10 20:41:10 Modanung	+s
Nov 10 20:42:11 Pajarico	The texture and color of the mud should be something like this
Nov 10 20:42:13 Pajarico	http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2161/desertgold2vv.jpg
Nov 10 20:43:10 Modanung	Yes, that's probably right
Nov 10 20:43:28 Modanung	I was thinking slightly less saturated I think
Nov 10 20:44:10 Pajarico	I was thinking keeping that ONLY for houses
Nov 10 20:44:21 Pajarico	and make the roads a bit less saturated
Nov 10 20:44:41 Pajarico	?
Nov 10 20:44:46 Modanung	I said "slightly"
Nov 10 20:44:51 Modanung	VERY slightly
Nov 10 20:45:00 Modanung	This || much
Nov 10 20:45:06 Modanung	Maybe even less
Nov 10 20:45:18 Pajarico	ok
Nov 10 20:45:26 Pajarico	next drawing:
Nov 10 20:45:32 Modanung	Bring it on
Nov 10 20:45:37 Pajarico	please disregard the upper left corner
Nov 10 20:45:40 Pajarico	http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/926/mapcityskirts1wx.png
Nov 10 20:45:41 Modanung	I will
Nov 10 20:45:49 Pajarico	it is a bit incomplete
Nov 10 20:46:10 Pajarico	and i have to change the orientation of the crops
Nov 10 20:46:25 Modanung	First of all.. I think this is one of you straightest drawn pictures I've seen until now
Nov 10 20:47:01 Modanung	Are those city walls?
Nov 10 20:47:20 Pajarico	the black ones, yes
Nov 10 20:47:44 Pajarico	this is only to show that royal tombs are after the crops zone
Nov 10 20:47:53 Pajarico	and that the crops are above the city
Nov 10 20:48:14 Pajarico	also note that crops and tombs are in a mountains actually
Nov 10 20:48:30 Pajarico	and that the only way to acces it is 
Nov 10 20:48:34 Modanung	In some earlier designs there were mountains behind the palace so I placed the cropsarea on the other side of town.
Nov 10 20:48:45 Modanung	Ah
Nov 10 20:48:55 Modanung	The crops are INSIDE the mountain?
Nov 10 20:48:57 Pajarico	either by the city wall or by the left
Nov 10 20:49:12 Pajarico	The crops are over the mountain
Nov 10 20:49:20 Pajarico	it has to get some sun
Nov 10 20:49:34 Modanung	More like a hillside then
Nov 10 20:49:46 Pajarico	the rocks at the left could be a desert-rockish xone
Nov 10 20:49:53 Pajarico	zone
Nov 10 20:50:05 Modanung	Left or right?
Nov 10 20:50:08 Pajarico	with some difficult enemies
Nov 10 20:50:21 Pajarico	right, sorry
Nov 10 20:50:25 Modanung	Ok
Nov 10 20:50:27 Pajarico	maybe serpents
Nov 10 20:50:46 m[a]tt		http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/savannah_grass1_3x3.png nice
Nov 10 20:50:47 Modanung	Or Fhqwugaats
Nov 10 20:51:07 Modanung	m[a]tt: Thanks
Nov 10 20:51:21 Pajarico	the problem with it is that climbing from left to right or right to left is not doable ATM
Nov 10 20:52:05 Pajarico	any comments before passing this point?
Nov 10 20:52:17 Modanung	Pajarico: Not in an elegant way, no
Nov 10 20:52:28 Modanung	(the climbing)
Nov 10 20:52:32 Pajarico	yeah
Nov 10 20:52:42 Pajarico	i think i can trick it
Nov 10 20:52:52 Modanung	How's that?
Nov 10 20:53:36 Pajarico	just make a turn in the moment were the player goes to a higher level
Nov 10 20:53:44 Pajarico	so the transition is made
Nov 10 20:53:51 Modanung	Pajarico: Like... this?: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/Mountain2.jpg
Nov 10 20:53:53 Pajarico	from bottom to top
Nov 10 20:54:12 Pajarico	? 
Nov 10 20:54:14 Modanung	Ah, you mean like a mountain road
Nov 10 20:54:22 Pajarico	yes
Nov 10 20:54:34 Modanung	With U-turns
Nov 10 20:54:48 Pajarico	could be
Nov 10 20:54:59 Pajarico	or just one U-turn at the end
Nov 10 20:55:01 Modanung	Or S-turns
Nov 10 20:55:13 Pajarico	well, you get the point :)
Nov 10 20:55:20 Pajarico	Next point?
Nov 10 20:55:37 Modanung	Fine with me
Nov 10 20:55:56 Pajarico	ok
Nov 10 20:56:07 Pajarico	I have to talk about the organization
Nov 10 20:56:16 Pajarico	i need pixel artist that are free
Nov 10 20:56:23 Pajarico	and start to give them job
Nov 10 20:56:32 Modanung	Well I've got my final test tomorrow
Nov 10 20:56:41 Modanung	After that I can skip homework
Nov 10 20:56:56 Modanung	...again
Nov 10 20:57:23 Pajarico	Modanung, you were the chief of the savannah, right?
Nov 10 20:58:14 Pajarico	BTW, free=without assigned tasks
Nov 10 20:58:21 Modanung	Yes
Nov 10 20:58:34 Modanung	And yes, I got that
Nov 10 20:59:01 Pajarico	Ok, so you already have work to do :)
Nov 10 20:59:13 Modanung	Pajarico: I could work on Tulimshar tiles as well
Nov 10 20:59:20 Modanung	Pajarico: You don't really do tiles, right?
Nov 10 20:59:25 Pajarico	I will look in the task list and contact pixel artists
Nov 10 20:59:28 Pajarico	Modanung, nope
Nov 10 21:00:13 Pajarico	Modanung, have you make some progress with savannah?
Nov 10 21:00:17 Modanung	Pajarico: I made a start with Tulimshar architecture, so I'd like to at least finish my house
Nov 10 21:00:28 Pajarico	Modanung, do it
Nov 10 21:00:33 Pajarico	and pass to your task
Nov 10 21:00:34 Modanung	Pajarico: Just the 2 tiles and some concepts
Nov 10 21:00:46 Pajarico	Modanung, do your task :)
Nov 10 21:01:02 Pajarico	I don't want artists to pass from one zone to another
Nov 10 21:01:07 Modanung	Pajarico: I'd like to turn your mud accomodations into pixelheaps as well
Nov 10 21:01:29 Modanung	Pajarico: And I don't like crappy art
Nov 10 21:01:32 Pajarico	so no savannah work right now?
Nov 10 21:01:52 Pajarico	crappy art?
Nov 10 21:02:04 Modanung	Pajarico: Nevermind
Nov 10 21:02:19 Modanung	I could do both Tulimshar and Savannah
Nov 10 21:02:25 Pajarico	Show me your savannah work
Nov 10 21:02:28 Modanung	Depending on my mood
Nov 10 21:02:49 Modanung	http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/Tablefaunt.jpg
Nov 10 21:02:53 Modanung	http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/packer.jpg
Nov 10 21:03:22 Modanung	Maybe I'll put this one in the Savannah instead of the forrest: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y203/Modanung/TMW_Grazer1_edit.jpg
Nov 10 21:03:53 Pajarico	I think so
Nov 10 21:03:55 Modanung	And I did a concept drawing with a sunset and some cliffs... but I didn't like it so I dodn't scan it
Nov 10 21:04:11 Pajarico	ok, any tiles?
Nov 10 21:04:57 Modanung	Pajarico: The mud and grass
Nov 10 21:05:01 Pajarico	ok
Nov 10 21:05:26 Modanung	Pajarico: BTW, 'savannah' is just a WIP name I guess
Nov 10 21:05:46 Pajarico	i will talk to ElvenProgrammer or MrLindeijer 
Nov 10 21:05:56 Pajarico	about adding avatars to the gameplay
Nov 10 21:06:00 Modanung	It's between the desert and forest, but it won't exactly look like the real savannah we have on Earth.
Nov 10 21:06:07 Pajarico	like rolling stones
Nov 10 21:06:17 Pajarico	that fall and hits you
Nov 10 21:06:19 Modanung	Pajarico: As in face close-uped avatars?
Nov 10 21:06:29 Modanung	Pajarico: I like Rolling Stones
Nov 10 21:07:07 Pajarico	we can include Jagger
Nov 10 21:07:16 Pajarico	as a grumpy magician 
Nov 10 21:08:03 Pajarico	seen Mkael 
Nov 10 21:08:05 ManaEgg		I last saw Mkael joining an IRC channel, 8 Hours, 36 Minutes ago, something like the following; "*** Mkael has joined #tmwart"
Nov 10 21:08:10 Mkael		:)
Nov 10 21:08:17 Pajarico	hi Mkael 
Nov 10 21:08:20 Mkael		hello
Nov 10 21:08:22 Pajarico	any news?
Nov 10 21:08:24 Mkael		doing math
Nov 10 21:08:31 Mkael		tomorrow propably
Nov 10 21:08:35 Pajarico	soooo funny :)
Nov 10 21:08:39 Modanung	Pajarico: An avatar: interactive representation of a human in a virtual reality environment
Nov 10 21:08:59 Pajarico	It has another definition
Nov 10 21:09:02 Mkael		Pajarico :P
Nov 10 21:09:17 Modanung	Pajarico: The characters we have now are also avatars... but did you mean square pictures like in Baldurs Gate?
Nov 10 21:09:45 Pajarico	Modanung, no,  stuff that difficults you doing a task
Nov 10 21:09:55 Pajarico	actually that's its real definition
Nov 10 21:10:03 Pajarico	dunno were the image thing comes
Nov 10 21:10:28 Pajarico	another definition: misfotune
Nov 10 21:10:37 Pajarico	or "handicap"
Nov 10 21:10:58 Modanung	Pajarico: And yes, Elizabeth Jagger would make a great grumpy magician
Nov 10 21:11:38 Pajarico	is her Mike's daughter?
Nov 10 21:12:10 Modanung	Pajarico: Dunno
Nov 10 21:12:19 Pajarico	ok, nevermind
Nov 10 21:12:31 Pajarico	i don't have anything else to say
Nov 10 21:12:34 Pajarico	Modanung, 
Nov 10 21:12:39 Modanung	Pajarico: Could you give an example of this avatar?
Nov 10 21:12:42 Pajarico	add yourself to the task list
Nov 10 21:12:47 Modanung	Pajarico: And it's Mick
Nov 10 21:13:12 Pajarico	Modanung, forget about the avatar thing,
Nov 10 21:13:24 Modanung	ok
Nov 10 21:13:31 Pajarico	what i want are rolling stones that fall from a cliff and hits the player
Nov 10 21:13:37 Modanung	Pajarico: What task list? You mean the Assignments page on the wiki?
Nov 10 21:13:42 Pajarico	yes
Nov 10 21:13:49 Modanung	Pajarico: I know what you meant
Nov 10 21:14:07 Modanung	Pajarico: I'm already on that list, with all the tasks I already had
Nov 10 21:14:13 Modanung	...and still have
Nov 10 21:14:24 Pajarico	then add tulimshar poor houses
Nov 10 21:14:49 Modanung	Pajarico: Ah yes... I also forgot...
Nov 10 21:15:04 Pajarico	i will make more drawings about poor houses and stuff
Nov 10 21:15:05 Modanung	ElvenProgrammer asked me to take over the new playerset from Talaroc
Nov 10 21:15:10 Pajarico	and then contact artist
Nov 10 21:15:21 Modanung	I think that has pretty high priority
Nov 10 21:15:21 Pajarico	give me a week at least
Nov 10 21:15:28 Pajarico	Modanung, ok
Nov 10 21:15:35 Pajarico	are you working on it?
Nov 10 21:15:42 Pajarico	(the playerset)
Nov 10 21:17:11 Pajarico	Modanung?
Nov 10 21:18:12 Modanung	Pajarico: Not yet
Nov 10 21:18:31 Modanung	Pajarico: ElvenProgrammer asked me this week, and this week was my week o' tests
Nov 10 21:18:35 Modanung	So I was really busy
Nov 10 21:19:02 Pajarico	Crush has no tasks
Nov 10 21:19:09 Pajarico	i will talk to him
Nov 10 21:19:24 Pajarico	then is over
Nov 10 21:19:28 Pajarico	ok?
Nov 10 21:20:12 Modanung	Pajarico: Guess so
Nov 10 21:20:28 Modanung	Pajarico: Then I'll get on with studying my chemistry
Nov 10 21:20:40 Pajarico	organic or inorganic?
Nov 10 21:20:55 Modanung	Both
Nov 10 21:21:02 Pajarico	it was a pain for me 
Nov 10 21:21:05 Pajarico	so good luck
Nov 10 21:21:08 Pajarico	bye
Nov 10 21:21:37 Modanung	I'm planning on studying after high-school
Nov 10 21:21:56 Modanung	So I'd better not screw it up :)
Nov 10 21:21:59 Modanung	Anyway, bye
Nov 10 21:22:12 Pajarico	----MEETING IS OVER----